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Post by lonelyinardwick on Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:09 am

I have made changes to which I would like to advise all contributors to the openBVE article posed on Wikipedia. I'd like to briefly guide you some of the changes I have made, and my thoughts:
  • A significant number of revisions prior to mine in the referencing and wording were anything but clear and viable to the notability or credibility of the article. It was increasingly clear that these revisions were made mostly by a member or an individual who is influential to BVEStation. Though it's a little difficult to explain how I changed referencing and wording as it's too ambiguous, I reiterated and reassured to Wikipedia readers regarding the discontinuation of openBVE, and others' response to the announcement.
  • Breaking down the above point, I reallocated and enhanced the citations, and added new references. I kept some of the sentence partly because it is relevant to the subject but also to hope people from BVEStation wouldn't overreact too much to my revisions. Although I kept the some dead links in place, because I thought it would not meet the Wikipedia's general criterion of credibility had it not been in place.
  • Viewers would almost certainly neither recognise BVEStation nor BVE Worlwide, nor would they be convinced if it be relevant to the article unless you introduce them properly.
  • On the bottom of the article is a sentence declaring the article a stub. On the talk page, users clearly stated lack of information, and that expansion is certainly recommended. Therefore I added the stub. Same applies to the BVE Trainsim artlcle, because in my opinion, there still aren't enough credible information on that article as well. I'm not sure if a stub sentence may trigger an experienced Wikipedia contributor or employee, to further investigate on the matter. But surely to give further reassurance to the viewers.
  • Under the developer tools subheading contains a significant number of grammar involving reader attention or direct address, although it looked as though it was copied from openBVE's developer documentation and guideline, but the use of this grammar is generally not permitted on Wikipedia grounds except on Special pages where, for example, users with Wikipedia accounts request change of usernames; in which users are given strict instructions and criterion on how to submit their requests etc. Though I've decided to leave that section alone for the time being.
  • On the right, I removed some irrelevant information regarding distributors and player modes. As you well know by now, that both BVEStation and BVE Worldwide are NOT program distributors but online communities. You may have created the openBVE.org website BUT odakyufan is part of the openBVE's official development team, and currently holds the authoritative/provisional homepage for the openBVE downloads and documentation. Furthermore, openBVE currently does not offer multiplayer mode in it's main program. It was built by a third-party developer ipclansite. By official means, it shouldn't go on the information panel as further measure of reassurance to viewers. Instead, a simple and revised sentence on the summary part gives regard to the multiplayer extension. I did add "whom they claim.." for the same/similar reason. Again, by official means, unless the then-head developer Michelle recnogise the possibility of multiplayer support, it does not prove to the reader otherwise.
  • The London Transport Museum does NOT use openBVE on its simulator inside the mock up 1996 tube stock, it uses BVE4 Trainsim. Now although, I'm from a different region of England and I never been to the museum before, but as far as I'm aware, only one YouTube video I found proves the matter. Therefore I revised and moved the sentence over to the BVE Trainsim article under the BVE Trainsim 4 subheading.
  • Further minor changes including adding more general links, and correction and "American-isation*" of punctuations and date formats as Wikipedia is US-based.
I hope this would give a clear explanation to my revisions to the article and clear up any misunderstandings since this post. Thank you. Smile

Ps. This will be also posted on the article's talk page and in a duplicate topic on BVEStation.


Last edited by Wongie2009 on Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:18 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Edited upon request.)

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by viccylinefan on Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:31 am

Re LT Museum Sims. They actually use OpenBVE. Last time I was on them, when arriving at a station, you can see the blue stopping marker meters on both sides of the screen. So it's OpenBVE.

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by meridian222017 on Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:32 pm

I can confirm that the LTM sims use openBVE on all simulators present within the museum (albeit a build which has been heavily modified to suit the needs of the simulators).

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by graymac on Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:23 pm

Whatever is added, please ensure that FACTS are stated, NOT opinions. It is of no help to anyone concerned if mis-information is distributed.
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Post by joeyfjj on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:33 pm

They changed from BVE4 to openBVE as far as I recall.

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by lonelyinardwick on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:41 pm

Can I ask when exactly did they change this?

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by joeyfjj on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:42 pm

I'm making changes right now.

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by lonelyinardwick on Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:05 pm

Just contacted the LTM and they said they changed this 2 years ago, with the help of a guy named Charles Dodgson. Other than that, I'm fairly happy with the revisions made afterwards.

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by joeyfjj on Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:12 pm

Is the reply restricted, or are you able to copy it here?

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by lonelyinardwick on Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:19 pm

No, the guy isn't present on weekends, only he'll be back on Monday. But otherwise, thanks joey for your revisions as well. Smile

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by Ad1992 on Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:53 pm

Dodgson dodgson we got dodgson here!

I would be very interested in knowing myself what the situation of the LTM simulators are at present. I was one of the original testers, and developers when the Jubilee line was first installed.
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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by joeyfjj on Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:34 pm

Hi, just want to suggest that all replies directly related to maintaining the wiki article be posted to its talk page, without being copied over to the forum? This to to ensure there is only one central location for discussion.
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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by Wulf_9 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:26 am

Wongie2009 wrote:Just contacted the LTM and they said they changed this 2 years ago, with the help of a guy named Charles Dodgson. Other than that, I'm fairly happy with the revisions made afterwards.

LOL Charles Dodgson is aka Lewis Carroll - will the train disappear into a tunnel full of mad creatures? Very Happy
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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by lonelyinardwick on Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:43 am

Oh blimey.. Rolling Eyes

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by graymac on Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:09 am

LOL Charles Dodgson is aka Lewis Carroll - will the train disappear into a tunnel full of mad creatures?

Possibly already did! Forget Alice, how about "Michelle in Blunderland"? Very Happy
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Post by mrknowitall on Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:23 am

You sir, are my idol!! Brilliant! Very Happy
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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by Wulf_9 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:12 pm

lol!
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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by alex_farlie on Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:57 pm

meridian222017 wrote:I can confirm that the LTM sims use openBVE on all simulators present within the museum (albeit a build which has been heavily modified to suit the needs of the simulators).

Is it possible to encourage sumbmissions from the LTM back into the upstream build?

(My concern here is mainly to do with instrumentation intreface improvements.)

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by Drag0nflamez on Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:21 am

alex_farlie wrote:
meridian222017 wrote:I can confirm that the LTM sims use openBVE on all simulators present within the museum (albeit a build which has been heavily modified to suit the needs of the simulators).

Is it possible to encourage sumbmissions from the LTM back into the upstream build?

(My concern here is mainly to do with instrumentation intreface improvements.)
That would actually be a good idea. Would it also make home cabs possible?

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Re: Advice to contributors regarding the openBVE article on Wikipedia.

Post by Ad1992 on Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:48 pm

Well the cab in use at the Museum was originally used by Lu as a simulator, but then they gave it to the ltm was it was due to be scrapped.
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